Log edited with Logedit 2.7.0pl on Fri Jun 29 15:31:14 CDT 2007 Using configuration file /home/dunemush/.logeditrc Editing out: @admin @chat DOING/WHO arrive/left @mail pages whispers ANSI O-spam Timestamps Regexp stripping: Mailbox cleared, Message * marked for deletion, Semaphore, Halted, Queue Logged by Javelin Word-wrapping at 72, 0, 2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Javelin says, "Today's menu features the unknowable, the inconsistent, and the non-existent. Frozen pizza surely will fit in somewhere." Tramp absently adjusts his T-shirt, dusting and straightening his sleeves. Javelin waves. Javelin says, "Our first course: Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, seared by flaming sword." Javelin says, "Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden; everyone knows the story. The so-called forbidden fruit, more properly the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, was clearly not an apple, but no one knows exactly what it was." Javelin says, "What's more interesting, I think, is what the fruit tasted like. The other major piece of food in the Torah or old testament is the manna that falls in the desert, and that's described in the talmud as tasting differently for each person." Javelin says, "To me that implies that the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil did not taste different to Adam and Eve - that it had a specific taste." Javelin says, "What do you think it was like? Sweet? Spicy? Sour? Bitter?" Javelin says, "Did it taste more like being caught in the rain or stuck in traffic?" Javelin says, "More like a broken heart or true love?" Javelin says, "More like being born or more like dying?" Javelin says, "Or perhaps, more like Vadiv's frozen pizza, which exists in a state somewhere between the heat of life and the pallor of death?" Javelin says, "So if you've prepared food for this course, what did you make, and why? And if you haven't, what *would* you make, and why?" tramp offers his fruity comments. tramp says, "I live my life according to a vow of personal poverty. As such, my tastes in food are pretty mundane. So, for this course, I chose a traditional 'apple'. However." tramp says, "because I bought the apple last week... and then ran out of food last weekend... I ate my apple on Tuesday." Teleported. tramp says, "so, I suggest that the taste of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil is 'shame' ... as in ... I'm ashamed to say I ate this course on Tuesday." Blue_Guest says, "Hi all" Javelin grins at tramp. "Sadder but wiser? Or just full?" tramp says, "shamefully disappointed that I had no fruit for today's event." Javelin roasted figs, and made a wasabi sauce for them (note to self: next time, needs more wasabi to achieve "searing"). I was trying to make something where the parts might be familiar, but the whole would not. Javelin says, "Anything else people did (or would) make as an interpretation our appetizer?" tramp says, "so, what does yours taste like?" Javelin says, "Sweet and salty, and just barely spicy - adding more raw wasabi helps there." Êlvïrå breezes into the Deli, dusting herself down, fashionably late as usual. "Hi everyone! Um.. sorry I'm late. Trouble out on the rocks by the mansion. Squid attack" tramp says, "no psychological or emotional values associated?" Blue_Guest says, "Squid Attack!" Blue_Guest says, "sounds slippy" Blue_Guest smiles tramp stands up until Elvira queues that it's okay for the gents to sit. Javelin says, "Some scholarship suggests that figs were the fruit in the Garden; they're certainly important in other religions. They have a kind of primal soppiness to them." Êlvïrå nods solemnly Êlvïrå grins, "Oh! Don't stand up on my behalf, tramp. Hmmm, where can I sit?" Javelin says, "And wasabi is one of those things that I couldn't stand as a kid, and now enjoy. Growing up and changing tastes reminds me of knowledge of good and evil. Or at least of good and revolting." Blue_Guest waves Blue_Guest leaves the deli. tramp chuckles. Êlvïrå awws, "I was going to sit by the Guest too" tramp nods to Elvi and returns his attention to his (paper) plate. Javelin says, "The guest was Nina from the UK, who's sorry she couldn't stay." Javelin says, "Ok, on to the second course, I think?" Javelin says, "Oh, wait, first..." Êlvïrå says, "Awww, that's a shame. Would have been nice to talk to her" Javelin says, "A toast. Grab a glass." Êlvïrå takes a spare seat between Vadiv and tramp and picks up a glass tramp eeps. mine's empty. sec. tramp says, "okay. glass half full. (;" Javelin says, "To know the unknowable is, of course, fruitless. Ladies and gentleman, I give you a toast. To seeking the unknowable!" Molikai picks up a glass with his tail, and raises it. In a soft whisper, "To Seeking the Unknowable!" tramp raises his glass, "to seeking the unknowable." Serif raises a cup, "To seeking the unknowable!" Javelin drinks. Êlvïrå raises a glass amiably. "Hmm... to seeking the unknowable" Javelin says, "Second course: the inconsistent." tramp takes a drink. Êlvïrå sips her water Javelin says, "'Pure logic is the ruin of the spirit.' - Antoine de Saint-Exupery." Javelin says, "I can attest to that personally. I was a math major in college until I elected to pursue a second semester of symbolic logic" Javelin says, "By the time I finished the course, I'd layered abstraction on abstraction so thickly that my head was spinning." SAVE: What's +dbsave cooking for dinner tonight? Javelin says, "Logic tells us that nothing can be P and not-P." Javelin says, "You can have a soup or a sandwich, a salad or a saute, a solid or a sauce." Javelin says, "Gnosis, thankfully, demonstrates otherwise." Molikai says, "Quantumn Mechanics says otherwise. Recent experiments have suggested nothing is real unless observed." Javelin wishes he'd thought to make quantum food. :) Molikai says, "Edibler and inedible at the same time?" Êlvïrå frowns and tries to concentrate very hard ;) Javelin says, "What would/did you prepare as an interpretation of a soup sandwich, a salad saute, or a solid sauce?" tramp has PIZZA! Baaybee. (: Molikai says, "Penne Carbonara was what I'd planned." Javelin counts the attributes of pizza: sauce/soup, check. bread, check. salad, check. Heh Javelin says, "Which one is carbonara?" Molikai says, "Hmm." Javelin says, "IS that a meat sauce?" Molikai says, "Has Cream, Egg, Parmesan, Bacon in it." Javelin ahas. Êlvïrå proposes a toasted apple sandwich as a sauted salad sandwich! Javelin says, "Yum." Êlvïrå says, "with plenty of cinnamon and brown sugar" tramp says, "man, that sounds rich... like caramel pie or something." Javelin went with a minimalist approach: A piece of toast floating in a bowl of soup, a frisse salad sauteed in olive oil, and dijon mustard, frozen and then shaved in an ice shaver as the sauce. Penne Carbonara Javelin discovers frozen mustard is good. tramp says, "that's quite interesting... for the solid sauce part. very creative." Êlvïrå headshakes at tramp. Just sliced apple sprinkled with cinnamon and sugar and put in bread in a sandwich toaster, butter or spread on the outside Êlvïrå says, "ooh, I like the frozen mustard idea" Molikai has a nice recipe for honey and mustard chicken lying aroumd somewhere... Javelin says, "When I was planning this luncheon, of course I was trying to think of how to instantiate the virtual food, but it was also very important to me that, however everyone did it, we were all sharing a physical experience -- of hunger, of taste, of digestion, or of satiety. It's easy to become disembodied on a MUSH - in fact, MUSHing is usually one of those things that can make me ignore feelings like hunger (or sleepiness, etc.)" Javelin has heard that's true for others too. Êlvïrå is going to be cooking chicken kiev as soon as Teliver gets in from work in a few minutes tramp says, "definitely true for me. (the ignoring other aspects of life due to total immersion in MUSHing)." Êlvïrå says, "and probably a sandwich for Autumn. Nothing for Midnight though cos she's sick :(" Javelin says, "So I like the idea that at this moment, on at least two continents, mushers are honoring meatspace (although remaining online)" Javelin hopes Midnight feels better soon too Êlvïrå nods, "I dosed her up on homeopathic arsenic and she's been much better since :)" Javelin chuckles. "Ok, second toast, I think?" Êlvïrå says, "She might eat an honorary cracker biscuit ;)" tramp says, "I was about to say that, as well... that I think 'sharing a meal together online' is something that should be repeated... at least occassionally (couple times a year?)." "Ralph Waldo Emerson wrote: "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." Ladies and gentleman, I give you a toast. To consuming the inconsistent! Javelin rather likes that idea, tramp. Let's develop that more over the cheese? Javelin says, "Ralph Waldo Emerson wrote: "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." Ladies and gentleman, I give you a toast. To consuming the inconsistent!" tramp raises his glass again, "to consuming the inconsistent." Molikai nods. "To fred." Êlvïrå grins, "Oooh, one of my favorite states. Inconsistency!" Javelin says, "Course three: the nonexistent" tramp says, "quantum food." Javelin says, "Finally, we come to the sweet fantastic, three cheeses we'll never know." tramp says, "you did have it afterall." Javelin says, "Perhaps it is - there's some finite probability that somewhere you can have a unicorn, or a bantha, or a bandersnatch, I suppose." Molikai says, "Better eating through genetic Engineering." Êlvïrå says, "in honour of inconsistency, we're now having sausages instead of chicken kiev" Javelin says, "But not in this particular slice of cosmos." Javelin grins. Molikai says, "And, arguably, you eat Narwha lmeat, you're eating unicorn." Javelin oohs, did you cook some? Javelin winks. tramp idles a moment to allow his cats to join the meal (don't move on til I describe my cheeses, please). Molikai hasn't cooked anything yet. ;) Javelin says, "So how would people have prepared those cheeses?" Molikai was palnning.. Wasnt' sure about the first course, the carbonara for the second, and maybe some nuice cheeses from the cheese society for the third. Javelin says, "Any particular cheeses?" Molikai grins. http://www.thecheesesociety.co.uk/ s omuch t ochoose from... Êlvïrå is making cheddar cheese, clearly derived from the great Cheddar Bandersnatch stuffed jacket potatoes Javelin's wife, btw, is eating along without mushing along. Êlvïrå is also drinking beer with fluffy unicorn cheese froth! Javelin says, "Yumyum." tramp returns and catches up on others comments. Javelin made...cheese. I found a recipe online for labna (greek yoghurt cheese), and twisted it a little. Made one with orange extract, one with herbes de provence, and one with curry (yow!). I'm not sure which goes with which animal though. tramp says, "okay. two of my cheeses are the same, but from different animals... and the third is different but from a similar animal..." Javelin listens up. tramp says, "I have 'stuffed crust pizza'. So, I have mozzarella (sp) on top of the pizza (I say this is the bantha), inside the crust (unique... unicorn?) and... a third cheese which is missing (snatched away by the bandersnatch)." Êlvïrå mmmms pizza Javelin is having pizza for dinner. Javelin oohs at the nonexistent cheese of the nonexistant beastie Javelin says, "and at my apparently nonexistent spelling - or just inconsistant." Êlvïrå giggles Vadiv loves goat cheese. Molikai is contemplating zebra, in a week or so. possible crocodile or antelope. Javelin offers another favorite quotation: "Talking about straws and camels' backs is just one way of approaching things. If you have enough camels, no backs need be broken." - Idries Shah (sufi philosopher) Javelin says, "And if you have enough unicorns, banthas, and bandersnatches, you don't even need camels." tramp laughs. Javelin says, "Ladies and gentleman, I give you my final toast. To savoring the nonexistant!" Javelin says, "(Something mushers know plenty about)" tramp raises his glass again, "to savoring the nonexistent." tramp mangles some spelling too. Vadiv savors only things that don't exist. Javelin will accept 'savouring' as well, but only from El. :) Grinna appears silently out of the wall. Javelin says, "That concludes the formal part of the meal. Have some coffee, tea, or what have you to wash it down. I'm interested in tramp's suggestion of a regular mush/physical dining experience, though." Êlvïrå coughs, "Ok, I read that out of context. Then read the last few lines ;)" Vadiv eats Grinna. Javelin savours El. Grinna says, "hey" Êlvïrå giggles Êlvïrå says, "hi Grinna" Grinna waves from work Êlvïrå belatedly toasts the nonexistent tramp says, "I think lunch (central US time) is appropriate. allows dinner for the europeans, and breakfast down under." Êlvïrå says, "with a cup of juice from the berry of an unobserved falling tree in a forest" Javelin says, "There's a tradition in Freemasonry called a 'table lodge', in which a lodge meeting is held over a meal - often in a restaurant - and the meal is taken as an opportunity for conversation or lecture on masonic topics (sometimes, as related to foo). I wonder if that's a potential model." Grinna says, "Except it isn't lunch time here, but that's okay cause I won't be having lunch at work today" Javelin says, "Lunch in central US works well except for people at work, so probably a weekend day would be better, eh?" tramp says, "you can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you'll never satisfy the needs of every timezone." Javelin says, "Makes it more like brunch on the west coast." Javelin says, "If I had *any* available weekends in June or July I would've done this on a weekend. :)" tramp says, "weekend is fine, sensible and all that." tramp says, "but I dunno how frequent it should be." tramp says, "can we make our own holidays to do it?" Molikai chuckles. "Well, now my money problems have died, I can actually afford rea lgodo fodo again. Huzzah. tramp says, "along the lines of brigadoon day?" Grinna would vote for a weekend, except if you are going t repeat in the near future it won't matter to me anymore. Javelin says, "But if people are up for something like that on an annual or so basis, I'd suggest (a) a weekend, (b) in mudtoberfest (heh, re: making up holidays), and (c) that we do it across several mushes and move the hosting venue and responsible player around each time." tramp says, "just invent a holiday for each quarter? Or maybe celebrate druidic dates (solstices/equinoxes)?" Javelin says, "mudtoberween? :" Grinna says, "ooo, interesting" Javelin says, "all soles day? :)" tramp says, "since many of the druidic dates tend to coincide with other holidays (xmas, channukah, winter solstice // easter, passover, spring equinox, // etc.)?" Javelin says, "Anyway, thanks for coming, all!" Javelin says, "Hope you had fun, and we should look into scheduling some future meals. :)"